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		<title>Comment on Close Reads &#8211; &#8220;Star Witness&#8221; by Neko Case by eric</title>
		<link>http://plotsandoaths.com/2010/02/23/close-reads-star-witness-by-neko-case/#comment-54</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The paper says 75, but it was a 69, so the official story about what&#039;s happened is off. Ford only made Falcons until 1970, for what it&#039;s worth. The next line &quot;there were no survivors&quot; is from the paper, but the paper is unreliable. So I think &quot;found&quot; is the key to the line after that. The narrator&#039;s chiming in with a nudge and a wink,&quot; well...none found, anyway.&quot; But someone did walk away, whatever&#039;s happened wasn&#039;t an accident, and the star witness is the killer.

The rest of the song is events leading up to or following the murder. Not necessarily in chronological order, because she&#039;s confused/conflicted about what she&#039;s done. The conflict is all over the song, &quot;tender wolves&quot;, &quot;go on scream and cry...please don&#039;t let him die.&quot;

Anyway, I know I&#039;m a bit late adding on here, but that&#039;s my two cents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paper says 75, but it was a 69, so the official story about what&#8217;s happened is off. Ford only made Falcons until 1970, for what it&#8217;s worth. The next line &#8220;there were no survivors&#8221; is from the paper, but the paper is unreliable. So I think &#8220;found&#8221; is the key to the line after that. The narrator&#8217;s chiming in with a nudge and a wink,&#8221; well&#8230;none found, anyway.&#8221; But someone did walk away, whatever&#8217;s happened wasn&#8217;t an accident, and the star witness is the killer.</p>
<p>The rest of the song is events leading up to or following the murder. Not necessarily in chronological order, because she&#8217;s confused/conflicted about what she&#8217;s done. The conflict is all over the song, &#8220;tender wolves&#8221;, &#8220;go on scream and cry&#8230;please don&#8217;t let him die.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, I know I&#8217;m a bit late adding on here, but that&#8217;s my two cents.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nick Demske&#8217;s Nick Demske by More cool stuff for my book &#171; NICKI-POO</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More cool stuff for my book &#171; NICKI-POO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Something&#8217;s Touching My Leg. It&#8217;s My Other Leg. by plotsandoaths</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Outstanding stuff Adam, I love the kind of subterfuge here, this thing hidden in the mechanics of the dialogue. This is a really generative topic for sure! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding stuff Adam, I love the kind of subterfuge here, this thing hidden in the mechanics of the dialogue. This is a really generative topic for sure! </p>
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		<title>Comment on Something&#8217;s Touching My Leg. It&#8217;s My Other Leg. by A.E. Watkins</title>
		<link>http://plotsandoaths.com/2010/06/30/somethings-touching-my-leg-its-my-other-leg/#comment-30</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great discussion, Ryo. Thanks for posting it.

In the beginning of the nineteenth century, &quot;monster&quot; was  used in a specifically biological sense to mean anything that deviated or did not fit into a species. When Cuvier discovered mammoth bones, his first instinct was to consider them the bones of a monster -- a deviant of the elephant. He soon came to the conclusion that it was rather an extinct species. Still, the mammoth was one of the first true monsters, Mary Shelley&#039;s coming soon after.  The idea of of monstrosity was very generative for the Romantics (both poets and prose writers) as it has been for you apparently. And for them as well, it spoke to the sense of the deviant within us. In one of my favorite moments in literature, Maria Edgeworth uses the monster - the mammoth in particular -- as a symbol for the deviant histories we have buried. In this scene from _Belinda_, Clarence Harvey is at a dinner party; Clarence is a friend/admirer of Lady Delacour, who is not at the party, but he realizes in this scene that she has a daughter, which she has never admitted. At the dinner party, Clarence has been telling a young boy about the &quot;apocryphal chapter of animals&quot; when the following occurs:

The dessert was on the table before Clarence had done with the mammoth.

As the butler put a fine dish of cherries upon the table, he said, &quot;My lady, these cherries are a present from the old gardener to Miss Delacour.&quot;

&quot;Set them before Miss Delacour then,&quot; said Lady Anne. &quot;Helena, my dear, distribute your own cherries.&quot;

At the name of Delacour, Clarence Harvey, though his head was still half full of the mammoth, looked round in astonishment; and when he saw the cherries placed before the young lady, whose resemblance to Lady Delacour he had before observed, he could not help exclaiming,

&quot;That young lady then is not a daughter of your ladyship&#039;s?&quot;

&quot;No; but I love her as well as if she were,&quot; replied Lady Anne.--&quot;What were you saying about the mammoth?&quot;

&quot;That the mammoth is supposed to be------------&quot; but interrupting himself, Clarence said in an inquiring tone--&quot;A niece of Lady Delacour&#039;s?&quot;

If you read Clarence&#039;s last statement straight through, you get, &quot;That the mammoth is supposed to be a niece of Lady Delacour&#039;s.&quot; And, symbolically, so it is. I have always found this to be a beautiful example of the monstrosity within us.

Also, to further riff off your discussion, I think the modern feeling of monstrosity has much to do with Baudrillard&#039;s simulacra, or more specifically, has to do with living in a world in which &quot;normal,&quot; as it is presented to us in media and by &quot;the media,&quot; is unrealistic. I&#039;m sure kids growing up in the plain states who are watching hours of Laguna Beach feel quite monstrous and very much deviants from the species they see on the television.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion, Ryo. Thanks for posting it.</p>
<p>In the beginning of the nineteenth century, &#8220;monster&#8221; was  used in a specifically biological sense to mean anything that deviated or did not fit into a species. When Cuvier discovered mammoth bones, his first instinct was to consider them the bones of a monster &#8212; a deviant of the elephant. He soon came to the conclusion that it was rather an extinct species. Still, the mammoth was one of the first true monsters, Mary Shelley&#8217;s coming soon after.  The idea of of monstrosity was very generative for the Romantics (both poets and prose writers) as it has been for you apparently. And for them as well, it spoke to the sense of the deviant within us. In one of my favorite moments in literature, Maria Edgeworth uses the monster &#8211; the mammoth in particular &#8212; as a symbol for the deviant histories we have buried. In this scene from _Belinda_, Clarence Harvey is at a dinner party; Clarence is a friend/admirer of Lady Delacour, who is not at the party, but he realizes in this scene that she has a daughter, which she has never admitted. At the dinner party, Clarence has been telling a young boy about the &#8220;apocryphal chapter of animals&#8221; when the following occurs:</p>
<p>The dessert was on the table before Clarence had done with the mammoth.</p>
<p>As the butler put a fine dish of cherries upon the table, he said, &#8220;My lady, these cherries are a present from the old gardener to Miss Delacour.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Set them before Miss Delacour then,&#8221; said Lady Anne. &#8220;Helena, my dear, distribute your own cherries.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the name of Delacour, Clarence Harvey, though his head was still half full of the mammoth, looked round in astonishment; and when he saw the cherries placed before the young lady, whose resemblance to Lady Delacour he had before observed, he could not help exclaiming,</p>
<p>&#8220;That young lady then is not a daughter of your ladyship&#8217;s?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No; but I love her as well as if she were,&#8221; replied Lady Anne.&#8211;&#8221;What were you saying about the mammoth?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;That the mammoth is supposed to be&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8221; but interrupting himself, Clarence said in an inquiring tone&#8211;&#8221;A niece of Lady Delacour&#8217;s?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you read Clarence&#8217;s last statement straight through, you get, &#8220;That the mammoth is supposed to be a niece of Lady Delacour&#8217;s.&#8221; And, symbolically, so it is. I have always found this to be a beautiful example of the monstrosity within us.</p>
<p>Also, to further riff off your discussion, I think the modern feeling of monstrosity has much to do with Baudrillard&#8217;s simulacra, or more specifically, has to do with living in a world in which &#8220;normal,&#8221; as it is presented to us in media and by &#8220;the media,&#8221; is unrealistic. I&#8217;m sure kids growing up in the plain states who are watching hours of Laguna Beach feel quite monstrous and very much deviants from the species they see on the television.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Close Reads &#8211; &#8220;Star Witness&#8221; by Neko Case by paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 05:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The look on your face yanks my neck on the chain&quot;...I always thought of this line as her submission to her sexual desire for this person.   She&#039;s sexually and emotionally taken with this guy and her desire gets the best of her.  A dog with a collar and leash.  This song feels like a backward glance at a teenage romantic tragedy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The look on your face yanks my neck on the chain&#8221;&#8230;I always thought of this line as her submission to her sexual desire for this person.   She&#8217;s sexually and emotionally taken with this guy and her desire gets the best of her.  A dog with a collar and leash.  This song feels like a backward glance at a teenage romantic tragedy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Close Reads &#8211; &#8220;Star Witness&#8221; by Neko Case by sean</title>
		<link>http://plotsandoaths.com/2010/02/23/close-reads-star-witness-by-neko-case/#comment-28</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I thought it was &#039;tender wolves&#039;, but then what do I know. 

Great article.

:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I thought it was &#8216;tender wolves&#8217;, but then what do I know. </p>
<p>Great article.<br />
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		<title>Comment on The Impossibility of Irony in &#8220;Lost&#8221; by plotsandoaths</title>
		<link>http://plotsandoaths.com/2010/03/23/the-impossibility-of-irony-in-lost/#comment-27</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Jay! Absolutley, the ultimate location, the terminus if you will, is equally unanswerable in both Lost&#039;s inward and outward references. There is no one true point of plot in Lost, and there is no one true, most important, previous work it references, so we are equally without meaning because any allusory references we bring in could be in conflict with any other. I am absolutely making the argument that all (or at least, many, many, many) mythologies come together in a kind of Campbellian (or more appropriately, Jungian) universal mythology. It&#039;s a unified theory of myth, one might say. I don&#039;t think this is a good or bad, or successful or unsuccessful, and one could certainly argue that Lost haphazardly incorporates myth references in entirely uneven and incongruent (i.e. unsuccessful) ways. But the action of such incorporation creates great tension when trying to read Lost&#039;s references as allegory--allegory simply cannot exist because the end points of its links are too various (there are too many things to which Lost&#039;s references refer :)), so the tenor meaning is, for lack of a better term, lost, and I think this might be a conscious maneuver.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jay! Absolutley, the ultimate location, the terminus if you will, is equally unanswerable in both Lost&#8217;s inward and outward references. There is no one true point of plot in Lost, and there is no one true, most important, previous work it references, so we are equally without meaning because any allusory references we bring in could be in conflict with any other. I am absolutely making the argument that all (or at least, many, many, many) mythologies come together in a kind of Campbellian (or more appropriately, Jungian) universal mythology. It&#8217;s a unified theory of myth, one might say. I don&#8217;t think this is a good or bad, or successful or unsuccessful, and one could certainly argue that Lost haphazardly incorporates myth references in entirely uneven and incongruent (i.e. unsuccessful) ways. But the action of such incorporation creates great tension when trying to read Lost&#8217;s references as allegory&#8211;allegory simply cannot exist because the end points of its links are too various (there are too many things to which Lost&#8217;s references refer <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ), so the tenor meaning is, for lack of a better term, lost, and I think this might be a conscious maneuver.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Impossibility of Irony in &#8220;Lost&#8221; by Jay</title>
		<link>http://plotsandoaths.com/2010/03/23/the-impossibility-of-irony-in-lost/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Insightful stuff, sir. Can I ask, does the question of which mythical tradition (Greek, biblical, etc.) provides the ultimate reference prove equally unanswerable? Do all versions of myth come together in Lost in a kind of Campbellian universal symbolism?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insightful stuff, sir. Can I ask, does the question of which mythical tradition (Greek, biblical, etc.) provides the ultimate reference prove equally unanswerable? Do all versions of myth come together in Lost in a kind of Campbellian universal symbolism?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Close Reads &#8211; &#8220;Star Witness&#8221; by Neko Case by plotsandoaths</title>
		<link>http://plotsandoaths.com/2010/02/23/close-reads-star-witness-by-neko-case/#comment-23</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks JM! That&#039;s really nice of you! I&#039;m glad people are finding their way here. It&#039;s such an awesome song, this Case song. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks JM! That&#8217;s really nice of you! I&#8217;m glad people are finding their way here. It&#8217;s such an awesome song, this Case song. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Close Reads &#8211; &#8220;Star Witness&#8221; by Neko Case by JM</title>
		<link>http://plotsandoaths.com/2010/02/23/close-reads-star-witness-by-neko-case/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 02:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have such insightful close reads, love the blog/projects. Nicely done, yo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have such insightful close reads, love the blog/projects. Nicely done, yo.</p>
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